Is The Call Really Fulfilling “God’s Dream”?

Thanks to Herescope and Discernment Research Group for this informative article: ttp://herescope.blogspot.com/2008/07/gods-dream.html

 

A KINGDOM BUILDING DREAM

TheCall DC – God Has A Dream

 

Forty years ago this year, Martin Luther King sounded a prophetic trumpet to the nation. Echoing the ancient cry uttered by Moses to the oppressive Pharaoh of Egypt, Martin Luther King and 250,000 Black Americans cried out “let my people go” in peaceful defiance of the oppressive edicts and Jim Crow Laws of morally eroded governmental leaders and a culture of systemic racism. Gathering at the mall in Washington D.C the sound was born of “I have a dream” and that same sound still resonates today. Today the sound is being carried across the pulpits of the pews of America, extending from the senatorial chambers of Washington D.C. to the movie industry of Hollywood. It is the sound of another great movement on the horizon, a prayer and justice movement crying out for God’s dreams to be fulfilled in a generation. [emphasis added]  Lou Engle  

 

 

(NOTE: (This happened prior to The Call on 8/16):  On July 29th, 2008 Congress passed a  Resolution that formally apologized to blacks for slavery and Jim Crow laws)

 

 

Become a Mobilizer for TheCall DC, August 16, 2008 

Join us on the National Mall in Washington DC on August 16, 2008 for a massive gathering of united generations desperate for revival and real change in our nation. More than an event, TheCall is a fast, not a festival. Come and be a part of the cultural reformation.   There are moments in history when a door for massive change opens. Great revolutions for good or evil occur in the vacuum created by these openings. It is in these moments that key men and women – sometimes entire generations – risk everything to become the hinge of history. That pivotal point determines which way the door will swing.  Thecall.com

 

 

This Washington, D.C. Mall event described above is connected with the rise of patriotic Dominionism, described in the previous post. The organizers of this event have been working for several decades to create a youth movement that could fulfill their expectations for a “New Breed” and could function as a “Joel’s Army.” To recruit young people for their “bootcamps” and prayer “furnaces”, these men have invoked patriotic fervor over the abortion issue especially, and morality generally.This theme of “God’s Dream,” or some variation of the phrase, has increasingly become the metaphor of choice for the radical transformation of evangelical Christianity. Brian McLaren has used the term frequently, most recently in his book

 

Everything Must Change, in which he explains it in terms of a new eschatology of “God’s dreams actually coming true down here” (p. 4) and “God’s dreams coming true for this earth” (p. 21) :“Jesus’ message is not actually about escaping this troubled world for heaven’s blissful shores, as is popularly assumed, but instead is about God’s will being done  on this troubled earth as it is in heaven.

” (p. 4) [link added]Sadly, McLaren, along with many other neoevangelical leaders, is using Dr. Martin Luther King’s stirring speech as a metaphor for his plans for global transformation (Everything Must Change, page 146, e.g.). The most striking example can be found in the quotation at the top of this post. God’s Dream is the theme of an upcoming pseudo-patriotic event scheduled in Washington, D.C. on the Mall sponsored by TheCall, an organization linked to Mike Bickle, Lou Engle and many other New Apostolic Reformation leaders, including many of the old “Kansas City Prophets.” But this is no fringe operation. TheCall and its personnel is interconnected with many mainstream evangelical organizations

, including Campus Crusade for Christ.To get a sense of the extraordinary nature of this upcoming “God’s Dream” event, check out

 

“The Vision”

posted at TheCall Institute, which is to “equip, disciple and commission an emerging generation of radical Nazirites to prepare the way of the Lord by embracing a lifestyle of prayer and fasting that is energized by intimacy with Jesus…. [A] new breed of young men and women….” [emphasis added]A highly disturbing

 

video

posted at TheCall’s website describes the extreme nature of this youth movement, and states that “those who come will be marked forever and they will be history-makers and dreamers of God’s dream.” Notice the young men and women in this brownish-greyish video have marks on their foreheads.A similarly disturbing

 

video is posted at The Luke 18 Project which is interconnected with TheCall. It states that 10,000 apostolic young men and women, by their radical lifestyle of prayer and fasting, and in conjunction with the fulfillment of a “dream of launching massive solemn assemblies of fasting and prayer” will “release justice over the earth” and start prayer cells (called “prayer FURNACES”) that “will transform cities, finish the task of the Great Commission and prepare a way for Jesus to return to the planet to establish his kingdom forever and ever….” The context for much of this activity is through food deprivation (fasting) in conjunction with a hypnotic-like fervor of mass prayer rallies — “filled stadiums and arenas.”

 

 

It is not quite certain what exactly “God’s Dream” means metaphorically, but it has always been linked to the idea of building the kingdom of God on Earth. There is a fascinating history of the usage of this term detailed in the Chapter 10 Update to Warren Smith’s online book Reinventing Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

 

God’s Dream?

 

Another of the many obvious Rick Warren links to Robert Schuller and the New Age/New Spirituality is through the Schuller concept of “God’s Dream.” On October 27, 2003 Rick Warren announced that the next weekend he would be introducing his P.E.A.C.E. Plan to “help change the world.” He used the term “God’s Dream” to describe this P.E.A.C.E. Plan. He called it “God’s Dream For You—And The World.” While the explicit term “God’s Dream” is not to be found anywhere in the Bible, it is a term that Robert Schuller has been using for over thirty years. In his book The Purpose-Driven Church, Rick Warren states that in 1974—six years before he started Saddleback Church at the age of twenty-five—he read Robert Schuller’s book, Your Church Has Real Possibilities. This Schuller book presented a young and impressionable Rick Warren with the Schuller concept of “God’s Dream” and how “God’s Dream” was inextricably linked to “purpose.” In his 1974 book, Schuller wrote about “God’s dream” for your life,” stating:He has a dream for your life and your church. He will reveal His dream by causing you to desire what He wants.

Now pray the prayer of surrender…. Then ask the Holy Spirit to fill your mind with God’s dream for your life.

 

 

Big beautiful dreams will come….

 

…Listen to this dream, “For it is God at work within you, giving you the will and the power to achieve His purpose”….

 

 

The phrase “God’s Dream” was also particularly prevalent in Schuller’s 1982 book Self-Esteem: The New Reformation. This was the book that was so highly praised by [New Age leader] Neale Donald Walsch and his New Age “God,” and the book from which Rick Warren apparently drew so much unattributed material for his book The Purpose-Driven Life. In this book Schuller wrote:

When God’s dream is accepted, we must be prepared to pay a high price. The dream that comes from God calls us to fulfill his will by taking an active part in his kingdom.

 

 

I am not fully forgiven until I allow God to write his new dream for my life on the blackboard of my mind…. God has a great plan to redeem society. He needs me and wants to use me.

 

 

“God’s forgiving grace is incomplete until he gives me—and I accept—a new kingdom-building dream and opportunity.”

Tremendous human energy is needed to walk God’s walk, work God’s work, fulfill God’s will, and complete his dream for our self-esteem.

Robert Schuller was calling for a “kingdom building dream”—a “New Reformation”—to redeem the world. He called it “God’s Dream to “redeem society.” Twenty years later Rick Warren was calling for a kingdom building dream—a “New Reformation”—to “change the world.” He called it his P.E.A.C.E. Plan and described it as “God’s Dream For You—And The World.” I would later discover that Rick Warren’s use of the term “God’s Dream” and his accompanying affirmation that it is “going to happen” could be found in Robert Schuller’s 1978 book Discover Your Possibilities. Schuller had written:

 

 

Pray, seek God’s guidance and what’s going to happen? You’ll get a dream to pursue…. Find a dream. Once you’ve got that dream and you know it’s God’s dream for your life, then be daring. Dare to say it. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. Announce to the whole world that it’s going to happen. [emphasis added]

 

 

In Rick Warren’s October 27, 2003 e-mail announcing his P.E.A.C.E. Plan and entitled “God’s Dream For You—And The World,” he wrote:

THIS WEEKEND, I’ll begin a series of five messages on God’s dream to use you globally—to literally use YOU to change the world! I’ll unveil our Global P.E.A.C.E. plan, and how God has uniquely prepared you for this moment of destiny….

 

 

The Global Peace Plan IS GOING TO HAPPEN….[bold added]

This use of “God’s Dream” and its direct connection to Robert Schuller is yet one more issue that has never been honestly addressed by Saddleback apologists. When I pointed out [in my book Deceived on Purpose] that the concept of “God’s Dream” was a Schuller concept, and it could not be found in the Bible, Saddleback representative Gilbert Thurston [in defending Rick Warren’s use of the term “God’s Dream"] focused only on the single word “dream”—ignoring the issue of “God’s Dream” and distorting what I really said—he made it look like I was saying the word “dream” could not be found in the Bible. Here’s what he wrote:As for the word dream, Mr. Smith is technically correct when he says that every time the word dream is used in the Bible it’s referring to sleeping dreams or waking visions. However, he is incorrect when he tries to imply that the kind of dreams that Rick Warren, Bruce Wilkinson or even Robert Schuller, for that matter, talk about are not found in the Bible.

 

 

Saddleback apologist Richard Abanes even took it a step further. Carefully avoiding any mention of the term “God’s Dream,” and Rick Warren’s specific use of the term “God’s Dream” in describing his “Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan,” Abanes—like Gilbert Thurston—also limited his discussion to the single word “dream.” He then tried to suggest that Rick Warren’s language was patterned after Martin Luther King—not Robert Schuller. He wrote: Smith plays the same word game with “dream”—a term used by both Rick Warren and Robert Schuller (Smith p. 178). Warren has talked about his dream for the P.E.A.C.E. Plan. Schuller has often used the word dream in about his teachings regarding church leadership, church growth, and New Age concepts. But that does NOT mean the two men are using the word in the same way.

 

 

In fact, Warren’s use of the word “dream” dates all the way back to his first sermon at Saddleback in 1980. He listed several dreams he had for his church. And it is more reminiscent of Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech in Washington D.C. than anything Schuller has ever said/written.

 

 

But who is the one playing word games? Abanes never addressed Rick Warren’s specific use of the Schuller metaphor “God’s Dream” and how he uses it to characterize his Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan. Like Thurston, Abanes tried to contain the discussion to the more generic and easily defensible term “dream.” But he still missed the point. He stated that Rick Warren’s use of the term “dream” in his first Saddleback sermon in 1980 was “more reminiscent” of Martin Luther King than Robert Schuller. What he was conveniently overlooking was the fact that in 1980 Rick Warren had just graduated from The Robert H. Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership where—according to Kay Warren—he had been “profoundly influenced” by Schuller. Rick Warren himself stated that six years prior to starting Saddleback he had read Robert Schuller’s book Your Church has Real Possibilities. One can only wonder what else went through nineteen year-old Rick Warren’s mind when, two pages after Schuller’s multiple references to “God’s dream,” Schuller wrote:

You’ve got to believe it before you see it! So believe you can build a Twenty-First Century church now! You can be the founder and the leader of such a great new inspirational center. You can make your church a great church for Jesus Christ.

 

 

Some reader of this book will build the greatest church ever built in America….

 

 

Controversial Emergent Church leader Brian McLaren and Prayer of Jabez author Bruce Wilkinson—along with Rick Warren and many others—are definitely helping to popularize the Schuller concept of “God’s Dream.” They are obviously attempting to make this Schuller concept part of the new transformational language of the church. McLaren recommends that metaphors be used to introduce the world to Jesus. McLaren even proposes a new “language of the Kingdom.” In his 2006 book The Secret Message of Jesus: Uncovering the Truth That Could Change Everything, McLaren states that the emerging twenty-first century church needs a new user-friendly language to effectively communicate with the world about Jesus. With no mention of Schuller—or Rick Warren for that matter—the very first metaphor McLaren suggests is the concept of “God’s Dream.” Not surprisingly, like Abanes, he also tries to link this Schuller concept to Martin Luther King’s civil rights movement and King’s “I Have A Dream” speech. McLaren explains:

 

 

For all these reasons, “the dream of God” strikes me as a beautiful way to translate the message of the kingdom of God for hearers today. It is, of course, the language evoked by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as he stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on August 28, 1963. His dream was God’s dream, and that accounted for its amazing power.

 

 

But this descriptive linking of “God’s Dream” with Martin Luther King’s civil rights movement is the same thing that New Age leaders were doing as they linked their PEACE PLAN—their “civil rights movement for the soul”—to Martin Luther King and King’s famous “I Have A Dream” speech. Curiously, when I did an Internet search I could find no instance of Martin Luther King ever using the specific term “God’s Dream.” By using the Schuller concept of “God’s Dream,” while invoking Martin Luther King and his civil rights movement, church leaders were now falling—even more directly—into the New Age spiritual trap.

 

 

With an ever-evolving, conveniently overlapping, new transformational language, Rick Warren’s Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan was in the process of semantically merging with the New Age PEACE PLAN. Was the Schuller concept of “God’s Dream” going to be the “pied piper” rallying cry for a seemingly wonderful PEACE PLAN that would deceptively capture the world’s imagination? It was no wonder, and no accident, that Neale Donald Walsch and his “God” described Robert Schuller as an “extraordinary” Christian minister. And how interesting that Saddleback apologists were doing everything in their power to try to distance Rick Warren from Robert Schuller—the very man who so obviously inspired Rick Warren’s life and ministry and his whole present-day Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan.

 

 

The Truth:

“Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:32)

 

 

[This excerpt from Reinventing Jesus Christ by Warren Smith used by permission. It was altered slightly for blog use. Full citations can be found in the Chapter 10 Update posted at www.reinventingjesuschrist.com. Additional material on "God's Dream" can be found in Chapter 11 of Warren Smith's book Deceived on Purpose: The New Age Implications of the Purpose-Driven Church.]

 

Reinventing Jesus Christ by Warren Smith used by permission. It was altered slightly for blog use. Full citations can be found in the Chapter 10 Update posted at www.reinventingjesuschrist.com. Additional material on “God’s Dream” can be found in Chapter 11 of Warren Smith’s book Deceived on Purpose: The New Age Implications of the Purpose-Driven Church.]

 

 

 

ARE EVANGELICAL PULPITS ABOUT TO PRAISE ISLAM?

ARE EVANGELICAL PULPITS ABOUT TO PRAISE ISLAM?

By Jan Markell

 

www.olivetreeviews.org

 

Following a four-day conference last week at Yale University, Christian and Muslim leaders from around the world announced the first step of the “Common Word” exchange drafted last November.  A joint statement was affirmed in their support of religious freedom and further interfaith dialogue based on their common love for God and neighbor.

 

But something is very wrong with this picture.

 

Over 140 conference participants unanimously approved a cooperative statement that signaled a “new beginning of collaboration between Christians and Muslims” where stronger assertions of faith would be required. So the statement began by affirming the “unity and absoluteness of God” and God’s merciful love as central to both religions.

 

Wait a minute! Allah has merciful love? And Allah is central to both Christianity and Islam? Isn’t it devotion to Allah that causes people to strap explosives onto themselves and blow innocent people to shreds? And seems he also encourages some of his followers to cut off heads of the innocent?

 

In attendance and in agreement, sadly, were both the head of the National Association of Evangelicals and the World Evangelical Alliance.  Those two organizations represent most evangelicals in America.  But both faiths pledged to spend one week a year sharing the good aspects about the other’s faith. Our pulpits are already lacking in sound gospel preaching! Now we must take one week each year to learn that Islam might really be “a religion of peace?”  And that Christians and Muslims worship the same God? 

 

The Lord’s Day is just that: A day to worship and learn about the God of the Bible, not to hear about the positive nature of Islam or any other faith. It’s tough enough that many reading this are laboring in churches that have forsaken the Bible for “new ways of doing church.” We have leftists and Emergent Church leaders praised in our pulpits, and now once a year we will have Islam praised in our pulpits—and I am speaking of “evangelical” pulpits since the heads of the evangelical world signed on to this.

 

Don’t these evangelical leaders know that deception is part and parcel of the Muslim religion when they deal with “infidels”?  Do they really think American mosques are going to start heralding Christianity once a year and really mean it? Don’t they know that many American mosques—certainly not all—are the breeding ground for calling for the destruction of America and its takeover by Islam? 

I have to conclude that the primary goal here is ecumenical unity. The second goal is to get Christians to see Islam in a positive light. Sharing the gospel with Muslims is not part of the agenda with this interfaith effort, even though thousands of Muslims are turning to Christ today. If this element were a part of the plan, it would be less egregious.  I ask, “Where is the outrage toward the evangelical leaders who are promoting this agenda?” 

 

It has long been the standard of congregations who are a part of the National Council of Churches to promote ecumenical unity and praise false religions. Now that so-called evangelical organizations are doing same, is there a dime’s worth of difference between them?

 

Forgive my cynicism but I think the Muslims are laughing all the way to Mecca.

 

Distributed by www.ChristianWorldviewNetwork.com

Beastly Trend To Be Launched From Israel: Biometric Database For All Citizens

Beastly Trend To Be Launched From Israel: Biometric Database For All Citizens – www.ynetnews.com

 

Government approves bill calling for creation of database of all Israeli citizens. Data to include fingerprints, computerized facial features embedded on IDs, passports

 

The government approved Sunday a motion calling for the establishment of a biometric database by the Ministry of Interior and the Public Security Ministry.

 

The motion, dubbed the “identification card, travel papers and biometrics database bill,” will now be referred back to the various Knesset committees, which would ready it for its Knesset votes.

 

The new bill called for embedding biometric data, such as fingerprints and computerized tags of facial features, in Israeli IDs and passports; as well as for the establishment of a database which would include biometric data on all Israeli citizens.

 

The data would be used by the Ministry of Interior in its future plans to create “smart”, forgery-proof identification papers and passports; and would also allow authorities to identify people who are not carrying any means of identification, especially in cases of a mass disaster, should the need to identify fatalities arise.

 

Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter told the government that the “need to create a unique (physical) bond between the person carrying an ID and the data which appears on it, is essential in order to fight the worldwide forgeries… Should we succeed we would be able to create a nationwide database controlled, as it should be, by the State.”

 

‘Database detrimental to civil rights’

 

The motion was carried despite the fierce objections of ministers who claim creating a biometrics database would be detrimental to civil rights, such as the right to privacy.

 

The Israeli Bar Association sent Justice Minister Daniel Friedmann a letter to that effect last week, in which it asked him to postpone the decision on the bill, pending the Bar’s further studying of the subject.

 

“Forming such a database would harm the citizens’ basic right to privacy,” read the letter; adding that such a database would be at constant risk of being hacked into by hostile elements, and would make “potential criminals out of every law-abiding citizen.”

 

The existence of such a database – which includes every citizen – has yet to be sanctioned in any Western country, added the Bar. The Israeli Association for the Protection of Privacy and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel have also expressed their objection to the bill.

Rick Warren and Emerging Church Promote New Age Practices

Concerts of Prayer NY is now linking arms with the Emerging Church movement in NYC.  I received this in an email this week:

 

 “REGISTER NOW & BRING YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAM!  Saturday, September 20, 2008.

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“Spiritual Leadership in the Global City” Launch Event!  Hear Rick Warren, A.R. Bernard, and David Ireland.  To be held simultaneously in Brooklyn and Ocean Grove, NJ.  Register online at www.NYCLeadership.com.” 

 

They are starting a leadership center in NYC and COPNY is also actively promoting Saddleback Church’s leadership summit where leaders will be trained by Christian and NON christian faculty!   It’s time for the Christian community to find out what these people actually teach!  The following article is from Hungry Hearts Ministry.

 

Rick Warren Promotes Christian Witchery

http://hungryheartsministries.com/id439.html

 

Included in Rick Warren’s Ministry Tool Box, an email pastor’s resource sent to multiplied thousands of ministers each week, is an article by Dan Kimball, pastor of Vintage Faith Church, which contains a basic outline for beginning practitioners of Christian Witchery.

http://www.pastors.com/article.asp?ArtID=10089 

 

Of course Dan doesn’t exactly call it by that name. However, Miss Rawna Moon, Christian Witch and Web Mistress has no problem at all with calling a spade a spade. And point for point she is in agreement with Kimball on the essential steps to successfully practicing Christian Witchery.

http://members.aol.com/RawnaMoon/intro.html 

 

Sacred Space

Dan instructs his readers to attend to “the notion of sacred space.”

 

Isn’t it interesting that Miss Rawna Moon does the same thing when she instructs beginners in Christian Witchery that the first thing they need to do is get a sacred space and, “Always keep before you that what you are doing here is not using the sacred space as a thing, but relating to it as fellow creatures of the Creating One and so your brothers and sisters. Try to let this place be a place where you let go of the modernistic idea of humanity above and separate from nature. Instead realize that you are part of this place and you are not above it or more important than it. Begin to learn how to listen to it as your teacher.”

 

Contemplative Prayer

Kimball openly advocates contemplative prayer in his push for a more experiencial form of relating to God. He boldly recommends that churches begin, “Implementing ancient forms of worship, in addition to more recent ways. When choosing to implement something like *Lectio Divina* (a contemplative praying of the Scriptures)…

 

Miss Rawna is in complete agreement with kimball on this. Here is what she has to say about contemplative prayer and its inestimable value to Christian Witchery: “Different spiritual traditions call this practice we call centering by many different names. It is the basic idea in Transcendental Meditation. It was the core spiritual discipline in many streams of Christian Monasticism and was called Contemplative Prayer. Buddhists are basically doing this when they chant. In current Christian spirituality, Father Thomas Keating, a Catholic priest, has been vital in reintroducing this practice to the Church, often referring to it as centering prayer… Shamans and Witches of many diverse faith systems throughout the ages, centering is the first step in entering a spiritual realm. This doesn’t mean centering doesn’t have all the value that those who see it as the ultimate spiritual discipline say it has. It probably has a lot more, in fact. The simple truth is that if we can’t center, we can’t do anything.”

 

Symbols

Are symbols, in order to assist in worship, now being implemented at Saddleback Church as Dan Kimball recommended when he wrote, “you can use the worship space itself as an expression of worship by attending to the notion of sacred space. Use religious symbols and artwork…?”

 

Kimball suggests using the cross as a focal point during worship. This is nothing more than turning the cross into an idol. When the scriptures refer to the cross of Christ, it is always in reference to the atoning work done there. Not to the cross itself. Satanists wear crosses.

 

Crosses are one of the oldest symbols in history and are used in all forms of occult and witchcraft. It is not the cross we focus on during worship, it is Christ, and he is not embodied in any symbol.

 

That is one of the reasons for the 2nd Commandment, “Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing…” Rick Warren must be in agreement with this idolatrous practice as the article promoting it is found on his, Pastors.com, website.

 

Christian Witches simply cannot practice their craft without symbols, as Rawna Moon makes abundantly clear when she instructs her protégés to, “Brainstorm symbols you can use to help you focus on the Divine as Goddess and Jesus as the living Sophia. Also brainstorm symbols which may be neutral genderwise but will remind you of the Christian Good News and help you focus on your life in Christ. Get some of these symbols… construct your own altar. Place on it the symbols you have determined you need on it.”

 

Praying With Crystals

Kimball also recommends using crystals as an aid to prayer, “Set up a table with salt crystals and a map of your town, and have people pray for your community as they drop [the] salt [crystals] on places on the map”

 

New Agers and all other practitioners of the occult also use crystals for healing and prayer (among other things) http://www.kristali.comtron.si/uk/function.html . We read on the webpage The Wonderful World of Crystals, “We project a certain appeal into the heart of a crystal. We ask a crystal to help a person with a certain disease, to preserve his emotional balance or to help with any other thing. We direct the energy of a crystal. The dispersed energy of a crystal will flow according to our request. This radiation will vibrate in the field of our aura.”

 

Dan Kimball obviously has Rick Warren’s blessing in advocating the integration of these unscriptural, occult practices into the worship of Jesus Christ in our church services.

 

This is a dangerous sinful, practice. We are admonished in scripture not to learn the way of the heathen. Simply because the name “Christian” is attached to something, does not mean it is endorsed biblically, and the practices advocated by Rick Warren via Dan Kimball (and others) are without a doubt the way of the heathen being introduced to unsuspecting sheep under the guise of worship by trusted shepherds.

 

Therefore ye shepherds, hear the Word of the Lord; As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves anymore;l for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them… Ezekiel 34:7-10

 

The scriptures further say to Rick Warren, Dan Kimball, and all others who are leading the flock of the Lord astray with these abominable teachings, if they do not repent and turn from thier wicked ways, they will fall into the pit along with all the unfortunates who follow them, and they will stand before the Judge of all the earth and answer for their sin.

 

 

Chuck Pierce, Robert Heidler respond to Kabbalah charge

Thanks to  Miriam of End Times Prophetic Words for posting the following article. 

 

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/chuck-pierce-robert-heidler-respond-to-kabbalah-charge/

 

To see her previous article on Chuck Pierce and the Kabbalah see:

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/chuck-pierce-prophesies-the-kabbalah/

 

Article by Wyatt Roberts – once again, another good article!

“Sigh.

Chuck Pierce and his pastor, Robert Heidler, have posted an article in which they purport to explain the difference between what they teach and the Jewish occultic practice of Kabbalah.

I have read the article, located here http://www.glory-of-zion.org/20080801_Hebraic_Understanding_versus_Kabbalah.doc, several times.

Basically, the document is little more than a blanket denial of charges that Pierce and Heidler are teaching Kabbalah, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I have written several articles exposing the Kabbalistic nature of Pierce’s and Heidler’s teaching, none of which is mitigated one iota by anything Pierce and Heidler say in their article.

I had hoped to put this business about Pierce, Heidler and Kabbalah behind me. Frankly, I have much better things to do with my time. However, I feel compelled to respond.

And so, in the coming days, I will present more information here about the undeniable link between Kabbalah and the teachings of Chuck Pierce and Robert Heidler. In the meantime, I urge you to read this incredible story from a former student who attended the Issachar School run by Pierce and Heidler. It’s a first-hand account of what Pierce and Heidler teach, and it is absolutely incredible. Here’s an excerpt:

“JoAnn McFatter [an Issachar School instructor] got into some stuff that seems kind of whacky to me and apparently Chuck wasn’t there in the room. ‘DNA hold memory, sins, etc’. ‘[we] can talk with animals’….Then the ‘plants have emotions’. That was the 2nd time I’d heard that in 2 months time when I heard that on the DVD. Are you guys getting a little OUT THERE or am I being stretched?

I trust Chuck and Robert absolutely implicitly. I trust Robert because Chuck does…However, I can find nothing in scripture that says plants have emotions and we can talk with the animals. True, I find nothing in scripture on other things too, but this, I am questioning.

JoAnn goes on to say when a word is released from a mouth in heaven, comes a numeric equation, music, a color of light, a fragrance. HUH?

Then, she says what new agers say: fragrances have frequencies. So tell me. Am I to believe what JoAnn says? If so, then MOST of what the newagers say is right on. Then how do I tell the difference between what is Godly and what is satanic?

JoAnn McFatter says the trees talked to her at a church.

The DVD blanked out where she said something about walking on water and how we can pass through a wall…Chuck Pierce [says] sounds are connected with everything and every tabernacle. How do I find out what sound is connected with me?

Chuck Pierce said, when starting to talk on movement…’I’m sure JoAnn has taught on this’. No, she hadn’t, not at all. JoAnn tends to go on and on and on…So what musical notes go with what essential oils? JoAnn mentioned something about it. And if there is one note God tells me about, say, for coriander, is that the same note worldwide or just for that person? And who is to determine which notes go with what fragrances?

JoAnn says colors heal. So do non-Christians. She says paintings heal and everyone has lots of creativity. I knew that, and am SO glad someone else says it to back me up!

This DVD set skips and goes back and forth and blanks out. When JoAnn is talking mostly.

I think it’s totally irresponsible of Glory of Zion, Chuck Pierce, Robert Heidler and JoAnn McFatter to say all of the above and yet not explain anything, to expect people to take what they say on face value without any explanations or reasonings, just nothing!”

McFatter seems to be into witchcraft. This is very disturbing since Issachar School, run by Chuck Pierce and Robert Heidler is purportedly Christian. She spoke of trees talking to her, of animals being able to speak and commune with humans. She spoke on rocks having frequencies, which in turn, would mean they heal, as those into witchcraft believe. Since no one at the Issachar school is willing to answer questions, it’s left up to the thoughts and imaginations of those taking the ‘classes’ to try to figure out exactly what is going on with these teachings. It certainly robs me of trust I had in Chuck Pierce and his ministry.

If you would like to read more of this fascinating, first-hand account, it’s located here http://www.my-walk-with-god.com/issacharschool.php

Lest Pierce attempt to create the impression that McFatter is just a loose cannon and doesn’t really represent Pierce’s and Heidler’s more “mainstream” views, keep in mind, she is a co-instructor, along with Pierce and Heidler, on this Issachar School DVD (entitled “Worship Sound and Movement”). Judging from the review, they apparently edited out some of McFatter’s stranger comments.

In any case, here’s a “Word from the Lord,” written by Chuck Pierce, Robert Stearns and JoAnn McFatter in which they claim gold dust magically appeared from heaven during a meeting in 2005. Here’s the Issachar School description of the class, here’s JoAnn McFatter’s home page (bizarre) and here’s a Glory of Zion newsletter in which Pierce promotes the class to be taught by McFatter:

“The Issachar School: Worship, Sound and Movement by Jo Ann McFatter (June 11-13)

I am so excited about our next Issachar School course on June 11-13 [2006]. Following the Pentecost Celebration we will have Jo Ann McFatter teaching on Worship, Sound and Movement. I will be teaching along with her and we will be experimenting with sound and movement. I’ll have a full worship team there that will assist us in connecting heaven and earth.

Most all of you know that Jo Ann is a well known teacher, psalmist, and minstrel. Her CDs are some of the best in the Kingdom of God. Even if you haven’t signed up for an Issachar School course before, you probably will want to be at this one.”